Sunday, June 26, 2011

New York Same-Sex Marriage Law

Noah Millma writes:
The history so far of same-sex marriage in the United States consists mostly (though not exclusively) of courts ordering legislatures to pass equal marriage rights for same-sex couples, and plebiscites decreeing that no such rights shall be extended. Neither is the way representative democracy is supposed to work, because neither the courts nor the people themselves adequately combine deliberation with accountability.

So I am especially gratified that legislators in my home state were manly enough to do their job and secure for New York’s citizens the equal rights and privileges they concluded the citizenry deserved, rather than punt to the courts or to the people themselves.

New York is a breath of fresh air on the same-sex marriage front for FLG. As he has said, he's in favor of it, but he's against courts finding a right to it with, in FLG's opinion, questionable logic and out of thin air. He disagrees with Millman on the public referrenda. If the courts in FLG's state ordered gay marriage to be legal or made legal, then he would, despite his support for gay marriage, vote against that ruling in any subsequent "plebiscites decreeing that no such rights shall be extended." FLG hates courts as agents of social change, as he's said before, sure, it's expeditious, but it has the huge downside of lacking democratic legitimacy.

So, he's glad to finally see it happen the right way. Hopefully, other states will follow suit.


Anonymous said...

But you're ok with governors acting as agents of social change?

Especially since this agent of social change's previous accomplishment was Fannie and Freddie? How'd that work out for America?

But wait, this social agent governor with a even more political father realizing Chauncey Gardner in the White House provided them the perfect political opportunity for the social agent son to demonstrate his presidential timber?

Ah well, it's ok, the gays got what they want and so did the Cuomos. Why not be happy for everyone?

Mrs. P

Anonymous said...

See? Like no one could guess this one - Cuomo 2016:

And before the narrative of great statesman Andrew Cuomo becomes as enshrined as Michelle Obama, fashion icon - if you look up to Boston you may find the simple reason as to how Andrew got the votes he needed -fear:

"The Political Strand – OK, now we’re getting closer to the essence of the “big picture” story. Howie moved this ball forward in “The Brothers Bulger,” focusing more on the connection between Whitey and his kid brother, Billy, the former Senate president. But he laid out more of a circumstantial-evidence connection – and a broader political connection still needs to be made.

"Some of the obvious and not-so-obvious political issues that need deeper coverage are: the general climate of fear on Beacon Hill during the height of the Bulgers era; how the city was still reeling from the forced-busing crisis as the Bulgers rose to power, and how many of their supporters/critics eerily lined up along those old forced-busing fault lines; the mysterious state agency budget cuts and demotions of anyone who dared cross the Bulgers; the cushy government and industry jobs landed by mobsters, their relatives and ex-FBI agents; the politically wired rise of FBI agent Zip Connelly and his gross FBI retirement party; the alleged push to make Zip chief of Boston police; the former governor of Massachusetts who effectively handed over the keys to state government to Billy while he ran for president in ’88; the once crusading U.S. Attorney-turned-governor who ended up cynically playing footsie with the younger Bulger. Etc., etc."

Mrs. P

The Ancient said...

the former governor of Massachusetts who effectively handed over the keys to state government to Billy while he ran for president in ’88

Insofar as anyone "ran" the state in Dukakis's absence, it was Frank Keefe, the Secretary of Administration and Finance (and Deputy Governor). Most people in Dukakis's administration, including Keefe, wouldn't have trusted Billy with the keys to the men's room, let alone anything more. (They'd been through this before, with other corrupt Senate presidents, and they knew better.)

George Pal said...

The State, stating that ‘gay unions’ now may be considered as ‘marriages”, no more makes it so than the state stating that from here on, 2+2 may be considered as 10.

If I think it I can make it so, if I think it I can make it so, if I think it I can make it so, if I think it I can make it so.

Anonymous said...

"Andrew Gully --A former longtime reporter and editor at the Boston Herald

"There are so many gruesome stories about Whitey. I look at this as not a story of a traditional mob boss, but more about the corruption of the entire city culture for over a quarter-century. The reach of Whitey Bulger went into the criminal justice system, and into the political system because of his brother, Billy. When Whitey had a no-show job in a courthouse in Suffolk County, the housing judge there was going to let him go. So the state froze the courthouse budget. You couldn't mess with Whitey without getting the repercussions of Billy. And the other way around. That was the early chilling effect. That story was known for years and years. And you had the horrifying story of how Whitey strangled Flemmi's girlfriends, cut off fingers, pulled out teeth. From stark brutality to political influence. You think of the fallout for people like the Wheeler family, the Donahue family. They lost their fathers because of Whitey. All the honest FBI agents will have to live with this legacy for a long time — suspicion, innuendo. The harm done is significant. [Jai Alai business owner Roger Wheeler was murdered after learning Bulger was skimming money from Wheeler's Florida operation. Michael Donahue was murdered when he gave a ride home to a neighbor who, unknown to Donahue, had offered information on Bulger to the FBI.]"

Mrs. P

The Ancient said...

Mrs P --

Start at 18:00.

I don't know when this is suppposed to have happened --and Howie Carr is seldom scrupulously accurate -- but Dukakis was not in office during the first four years of Bulger's term as Senate President. (And I can easily imagine Ed King not bothering to notice many, many things.)

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