Tuesday, October 5, 2010

New Poll

FLG hasn't had a poll in a while.

I'll make this short. FLG thinks O'Donnell is crazy, but Obama is wrong. George Pal demurs and writes Obama "is certainly a life long liar and, if not clinically ‘crazy’ surely the most disordered personality to ever be president."

So, new poll.
Obama is...
a great president.
a liar.

You can choose more than one answer, but the poll closes at midnight.

I've updated the poll based upon some suggestions. This, however, reset the counter. So please vote again.


The Ancient said...

You left out "disordered personality."

I'd vote for that.

william randolph brafford said...

Of those options and by process of elimination, I'd have to go with "wrong."

Andrew Stevens said...

A little unfair, actually. There's no "he's okay" or at least "none of the above"?

Anonymous said...

Why didn't you go with C.S. Lewis' Liar, Lunatic, Lord formula?

I need some help deciding this one. Let's go over some numbers -during O's first year he gave 158 interviews, 411 speeches, 23 townhalls, made 10 foreign trips, attended 28 political fundraisers, his name or face was on over 50% of Time's covers for 2008, 2009 he was on 7 covers, Newsweek had him on 12 of their 2008 covers.

Interestingly I just read his Rolling Stone interview ; he said this about the Republicans:


Anonymous said...

O on Republicans directly lifted from Rolling Stone:

"When you came into office, you felt you would be able to work with the other side. When did you realize that the Republicans had abandoned any real effort to work with you and create bipartisan policy?"

"Well, I'll tell you that given the state of the economy during my transition, between my election and being sworn in, our working assumption was that everybody was going to want to pull together, because there was a sizable chance that we could have a financial meltdown and the entire country could plunge into a depression. So we had to work very rapidly to try to create a combination of measures that would stop the free-fall and cauterize the job loss.

"The recovery package we shaped was put together on the theory that we shouldn't exclude any ideas on the basis of ideological predispositions, and so a third of the Recovery Act were tax cuts. Now, they happened to be the most progressive tax cuts in history, very much geared toward middle-class families. There was not only a fairness rationale to that, but also an economic rationale — those were the folks who were most likely to spend the money and, hence, prop up demand at a time when the economy was really freezing up.

"I still remember going over to the Republican caucus to meet with them and present our ideas, and to solicit ideas from them before we presented the final package. And on the way over, the caucus essentially released a statement that said, "We're going to all vote 'No' as a caucus." And this was before we'd even had the conversation. At that point, we realized that we weren't going to get the kind of cooperation we'd anticipated. The strategy the Republicans were going to pursue was one of sitting on the sidelines, trying to gum up the works, based on the assumption that given the scope and size of the recovery, the economy probably wouldn't be very good, even in 2010, and that they were better off being able to assign the blame to us than work with us to try to solve the problem."


Anonymous said...

Interestingly, this is how the WSJ reported on it - at the time and not the opinion page:

Obama to Meet Lawmakers on Capitol Hill Early Next Week Democrats Ready to Deliver on Promises to Unions
JANUARY 23, 2009, 2:32 PM ET

Obama to GOP: ‘I Won’
By Mary Lu Carnevale

Jonathan Weisman reports on the White House.

"The top congressional leaders from both parties gathered at the White House for a working discussion over the shape and size of President Barack Obama’s economic stimulus plan. The meeting was designed to promote bipartisanship.

"But Obama showed that in an ideological debate, he’s not averse to using a jab.

"Challenged by one Republican senator over the contents of the package, the new president, according to participants, replied: “I won.”

"The statement was prompted by Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl of Arizona , who challenged the president and the Democratic leaders over the balance between the package’s spending and tax cuts, bringing up the traditional Republican notion that a tax credit for people who do not earn enough to pay income taxes is not a tax cut but a government check.

"Obama noted that such workers pay Social Security and Medicare taxes, property taxes and sales taxes. The issue was widely debated during the presidential campaign, when Sen. John McCain, the Republican nominee, challenged Obama’s tax plan as “welfare.”

"With those two words — “I won” — the Democratic president let the Republicans know that debate has been put to rest Nov. 4 .

"Democratic and Republican aides confirmed the exchange. A White House spokesman said he wasn’t immediately aware of the exchange. The aides who heard the remarks stressed that it wasn’t as boldly partisan as it might sound.

"Still, other Democrats echoed the sentiment. As he left the White House, House Majority Whip James Clyburn of South Carolina was asked about Republican complaints that Democrats aren’t listening to what their GOP colleagues have to say. “We’re responding to the American people,” he said. “The American people didn’t listen to them too well during the election."


Anonymous said...

Then this report from Jake Tapper at ABC which jives more with the WSJ's account than the one O gave to Rolling Stone:

"In an hour-long private meeting with Republican and Democratic Congressional leaders this morning on the economic stimulus package, President Barack Obama stressed the urgency of getting the $825 billion stimulus plan passed quickly for the good of the country, and mentioned the political stakes for both parties.

"According to a source present at the meeting, President Obama said, "Look, we are all political animals here, If we don't do this, we may lose seats. I may not be re-elected. But none of that's going to matter if we don't pass this because the economy will be in a crisis and the American people will be hurting."

"The meeting was attended by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., House Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin, D-Ill., Senate Minority Whip Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., House Majority Whip Jim Clyburn D-SC, and House Minority Whip Eric Cantor, R-Va.

"Vice President Joe Biden, National Economic Council director Larry Summers, Office of Management and Budget director Peter Orszag and White House chief of staff Rahm Emanuel were also in attendance.

"Despite being the lowest person on the totem pole in attendance, sources say the ideas presented by Cantor -- who brought handouts to the meeting -- provided some of the day's most engaging moments.

"House Republicans have been complaining about not being consulted, and as Cantor explained the details of some of the ideas he and his GOP colleagues would like to see in the package, President Obama read the one-pager and told him, "Eric, I don't see anything crazy in here."

"Among some of the things Republicans requested: tax deductions for some small businesses, making unemployment benefits tax free and a provision that would let businesses losing money carry the losses over to pay fewer taxes in a different fiscal year.

"Mr. Obama did voice opinion on some differences on the issue of whether the lowest individual tax rates should be cut from 15 percent to 10 percent and from 10 percent to 5 percent.

"As the president, he had told Kyl after the Arizonan raised objections to the notion of a tax credit for people who don't pay income taxes, Obama told Cantor this morning that "on some of these issues we're just going to have ideological differences."

"The president added, "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you."

"After the meeting, Boehner said Republicans relayed their concerns to Obama about the size and spending of the economic stimulus package during the meeting. He specifically mentioned a provision in the bill that would allow 50 states to offer Medicaid family planning service, like contraceptives, with the federal government's 9-to-1 match. Republicans say that whether this is good public policy, it has nothing to do with an economic stimulus."


Anonymous said...

So, I'm open to the idea the guy is a lunatic which causes him to lie with great regularity or that he is a liar and his consistent lying has caused him to reside in a parallel universe. A universe where everyone thinks like him and likes him and they know him and the walls are padded which is convenient when his wife starts throwing the White House lamps around.

Oh, and as for her and her notion that Barack would get shot if he went to a gas station - she need serious meds. And a few Os...

Mrs. P

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