Tuesday, April 27, 2010

More On Matt

In a previous post, I wrote that Matt has a huge blindspot when looking at what he calls the Very Big Picture.

Then, he writes this:
I don’t understand why Paul Krugman thinks immigration makes a social safety net impossible; I hope he’ll address this in more detail.

Krugman writes:
open immigration can’t coexist with a strong social safety net; if you’re going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can’t make that offer global.

That was the primary point of my prior post. Social safety nets undermine the incentive to work, which in turn undermines the incentive to create wealth. It'd be great if we all could engage in Aristotelian leisure and never had to work, but there are material realities that make this impossible or at least improbable from ever occurring.

Currently, the US benefits from immigration on the productivity side, at least according to a study I cited in the comments of that other post, but the OECD in general does not. One possible explanation, and one I'm partial to, is that generous social safety nets both appeal to the less productive and the requisite taxation systems discourage the productive from immigrating.

My point here is that progressive policies to redistribute wealth discourage people from creating it. And if you put out a big sign that says, Wealth Redistribution Here, the people who show up will be more interested in having wealth redistributed to them than our current situation where we have a big sign that says, Opportunity To Work Hard And Get Wealthy Here. Now, a reasonable argument can be made that our current sign is false advertising, but changing the sign to the other one wouldn't be an improvement.


Anonymous said...

Thanks FLG. I've been ignoring Krug for years because I decided he's a bigoted jerk. Your post made me actually read Krug again and guess what - he hasn't evolved. I know you meant for this thread being about Matt's blindness which admittedly that line you cited was very funny... but let me show how bigoted Krug is and bigots are known to be blind so... :

"Democrats are torn individually (a state I share). On one side, they favor helping those in need, which inclines them to look sympathetically on immigrants; plus they’re relatively open to a multicultural, multiracial society.[...]On the other side, however, open immigration can’t coexist with a strong social safety net; if you’re going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can’t make that offer global.

So Democrats have mixed feelings about immigration; in fact, *it’s an agonizing issue*.

Republicans, on the other hand, *either love immigration or hate it*. The business-friendly wing of the party likes inexpensive workers (and would really enjoy a huge guest-worker program that would both provide such workers and ensure that they can neither vote nor, in practice, unionize). *But the cultural/nativist/tribal conservatives hate having these alien-looking, alien-sounding people on American soil*.

"So immigration is an issue that divides Republicans one from another, not within each individual’s heart."

1. Republicans love legal immigration. Many, many Republicans also love illegal immigration though not as much as liberals do. Think of all the folks in the Clinton years who got shown the door for employing illegals and not paying all the proper taxes. Republicans understand just like Dems illegal immigration means a permanent underclasee which means cheaper nannies, houseboys and girls, gardeners, pool boys, stable boys, wait staff and for the wild Republicans, sex slaves. We had a case in Michigan with a husband and wife doing that though the newspapers never identified their party affiliation. They did reside in a posh suburb that always went Dem.

Then there are Republicans who are completely reasonable folks who loathe illegal immigration because the Federal government has failed to protect the borders and our social nets, hospitals schools and police forces are strained as a result.


Anonymous said...

2. As for Republicans being against unionizing guest workers, has Krug taken a look at where both our private and public sector unions stand now? I mean fiscally and not in terms of membership? Can you say another Obama bailout on the way as he would bellyache they are too big to fail especially since he gave the UAW ownership of GM and Chrysler.

3. This was especially good. compare and contrast Krug's view of Rs and Ds:

"Democrats are torn individually [...] So Democrats have mixed feelings about immigration; in fact, it’s an agonizing issue."

"So immigration is an issue that divides Republicans one from another, not within each individual’s heart."

hahahahahahaha. Oh Krug, if your dems only had half the agony for the unborn Americans you claim they have for illegals, then they might be doing better in the polls. The Dems don't even have half the agony for certain kinds of Americans. The truth is look at Detroit - a town that has been run solely by the Dems for more than 40 years- and you will see there is very heart as well as very little agony in the Democrat party for the residents of that city. As Michael Barone himself who is from Detroit wrote me in an email:

"When people asked me for the reason I switched from being a liberal (as I was when I was an intern for Mayor Jerome Cavanagh in the riot summer of 1967) to a conservative, my one-word answer is "Detroit." We wanted to create something like a heaven on earth and instead created something much more like hell--with of course the principle sufferers being the people who were our intended

3 "if you’re going to assure health care and a decent income to everyone, you can’t make that offer global"

hahahahahhaha Are the Dems doing this now with the people and illegals we already have? Unemployment is at what? 10% with what number unemployed 27 weeks or longer? (hint-it's big) and underemployed somewhere around 16%, foreclosures at an all-time high time high -after we spent billions trying to prevent them. Nah, we're not assuring everyone a decent income. The Dems, in their ongoing effort to lift all boats by raising and raising the minimum hourly wage have succeeded in torpedoing more than they raised. That combined with the public schools the libs run not educating the children to actually have employable skills despite all the $$$$$ they've received and what a mess but I digress.

Also didn't the news just come out yesterday that the White House and the Dems knew a week before they passed Healthcare that none of the $$$$$ savings they said would happen will happen? And then someone else yesterday -from the White House or the Administration was saying in effect yes, rationing will be occurring? Well if that's all true, then Krug is right to say that we can't make the offer global becasue we can no longer even care for the ones we've got.

Looking at it this way, I completely understand why they put abortion in the bill - it's a clever cost saving method. Didn't the Nazis think like this?

Mrs. P

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