Wednesday, September 9, 2009

On Rationalizations

Jamelle, over at LOG, writes:
Plainly put, the “center” does not lead the political conversation, the “poles” do. It’s simply a fact that during the past twenty-plus years of conservative dominance, the “center” reflected the strength of the conservative movement. Accordingly, if Democrats want to gain and keep the support “of the vast, moderate, essentially reasonable group of voters who constitute a coherent political center,” the answer isn’t to propose mealy-mouthed “centrist” policies and hope that voters understand the underlying differences between that and a more liberal proposal, instead, it’s to move full-on with the most effective legislation possible, which in health care at least, happens to be the most liberal form of the legislation. After all, Democrats won’t be punished for partisanship, they’ll be punished for failure.


Jamelle also responds to a glaring rebuttal:
Of course, the obvious response is that Bush’s method of passing legislation resulted in Republicans losing both houses of Congress and the presidency. But I’m not sure if that’s actually the case; Republican losses last year and in 2006 had far more to do with the party’s failed policies and its obstinate refusal to change course on Iraq than it did with institutional minutiae and partisan composition of floor votes.


There seems to be an assumption among those in favor of health care reform with a public option that Clinton was punished in 1994 because he failed in reforming health care, as opposed to the more correct interpretation, i.e. mine, that Clintoncare failed because the American people were uncomfortable with it and that uncomfort spread to Clinton and the Democrats more generally. Democrats need to understand that the failure of Clintoncare and the 1994 midterm election were consequences of the same cause.

Now, as a public option proponent, I'd probably spin it differently too. Better to think that the political tactics and execution were the problem than to think that my overall goal is not supported by the American people. At which point, I always hear "But polls say.." or "Insurance and drug company propaganda..."

Polls can be misleading on health care. When asked if everybody should receive health care if they need it, then the answer will almost invariably be yes. When asked about specific policy proposals that cost actual money or coerce people into buying health insurance, then support wanes. Whether or not mandates are necessary, people don't like being told what to do and it's going to piss a lot of them off.

Unlike Matt Yglesias' insane belief that the American public's aversion to taxes was simply created by conservative propaganda, I can understand why progressive believe that insurance and drug company propaganda is largely to blame. Those Harry and Louise ads were damn effective back in '93.

So, let's assume that my analysis is correct. That the public is against most of the Democratic reform proposals -- public option, mandates, etc. Is it a wise political strategy to pound it through anyway despite public skepticism or antipathy? Even if you think the public is misguided, and Lord knows five minutes of listening to Sean Hannity callers will tell you that a good portion of the opposition is freakin' deranged, is it a good idea to say, "y'all don't know what's good for you. Here's health care reform." Perhaps. Perhaps not.

I agree we need to reform the health care system. Lots of the things the Democrats are talking about makes sense, but a public option is a deal breaker for me. We can accomplish many of the most important goals, i.e. increased competition, through other means, and I'd vastly prefer to pursue those other means before creating another government program. Also, while the specific proposals involved don't include anything like "death panels" it's not entirely unreasonable to fear that something like them will eventually appear in government run health care. Things change. For example, the social security number was never supposed to be used as a national identification number and yet it now is. To say that this bill or that bill doesn't have death panels doesn't preclude the emergence of them later. The incentive to cut or cap costs will forever lead to an incentive to create death panels.

But I'm getting off topic. The question is whether somebody who thinks that health care reform with the public option would be good for the country, or for that matter anybody who supports any policy that isn't supported by the general public, should push the policy through into law without regard to public opinion. One school of thought says that the people are, not to put to fine a point on it, too lazy or too stupid to understand something as sophisticated as health care policy, so let's us elites and experts get it done. We'll be vindicated on the back-end when things are better. This is an extremely appealing idea to those who support an unpopular policy, but one must realize that ramming something through despite public opposition is undemocratic and undermines public trust in the system. Yet, if it's something important, some have argued, as it is in the case of health care, then it's best to just get it done. But I wonder if not taking the public's opinion into account on something important is even worse. Wouldn't that just undermine public trust even more?

It's certainly open for debate. Nevertheless, I wholeheartedly believe the best way to proceed in a democracy is to convince the public of the justness, rightness, or superiority of your cause or policy. Resorting to undemocratic processes, like court rulings or parliamentary maneuvers, to expedite your preferred results ultimately undermine your own cause and the political process itself in the long-run. Fortunately, elected officials are somewhat sensitive to public opinion and wary of ramrodding stuff through that are broadly opposed. Judges aren't so sensitive. Sometimes these things work out, like court rulings overturning segregation. Sometimes they don't, as demonstrated by the passage of Prop 8 in response to the California Supreme Court's ruling in favor of gay marriage. Sometimes they appear to work, but leave the policy with a sword of Damocles hanging over it, like Roe V. Wade.

Many on the left like to point out that the Republicans used parliamentary procedures, specifically the reconciliation process, to pass the Bush Agenda. They passed tax cuts and drilling in ANWR using that method. Well, tax cuts are always popular, so I'm willing to bet there wasn't widespread opposition and therefore I'm gonna argue that it wasn't undemocratic. ANWR may have been. I'm not sure what the poll numbers were at the time.

So, FLG, are you arguing that the elected representatives should be slaves to the opinion polls in their districts? Goodness, no. Representatives should follow their reason and conscience. If they find themselves on the wrong side of public opinion, then they should first and foremost try to convince their constituents. If that doesn't work, then they should try again. And keep trying. If at some point the representative concludes that they will never be able to convince the public of the rightness of his or her cause, then the representative should re-examine their conclusion. If after that he still feels compelled to pursue what he thinks is right, good, or just in opposition to public opinion, then he should vote his conscience and accept that he very well may lose the next election.

5 comments:

alan_howe said...

I used to point to the sixty-nine percent of Americans and the later fifty-four percent of likely American voters (October 2004 Harris poll) who believe Saddam Hussein was involved in the 9/11 attacks--a belief that was based on, well, "nothingness"--as justification for my drive to increase the number of educated, informed voters. The health-care "debate" in this country should convince others to join me. People like Hannity, on the other hand, are not merely uncommitted to informing people, they make their money by encouraging fantasy and ignorance. They adopt the forms of Democracy to degrade Democracy. You are correct that elected representatives have an obligation to first inform and convince their constituents, but the "Hannities" have made this task nearly impossible.

That said, we must admit that "death panels" do exist. They may not be part of any proposed legislation, but they have long been part of private insurers' efforts to reduce payouts and thereby boost profits by refusing or dropping the coverage of people who need expensive medical care. Amid the shouting and pistol-wearing, we are hearing some of these immoral tales.

Anonymous said...

The "Hannities" have made this impossible. Excuse me while I go laugh for an hour.


Ok, back now. As for Hannity's success rate with mind control, he has devoted his program to preventing the Republicans from losing Congress, to preventing Nancy Pelosi from being Speaker of the House, to preventing Barack Obama from being President. And all of those things happened. Now he's devoted his show to prevent Obamacare which if I were President Obama, I'd cheer him on, hold the door open for him and all other good things given Hannity's past *prevention* attempts.

FLG, did you see Thomas Sowell this morning? He touches on some of the things you mentioned. An excerpt:

"...One plain fact should outweigh all the words of Barack Obama and all the impressive trappings of the setting in which he says them: He tried to rush Congress into passing a massive government takeover of the nation's medical care before the August recess-- for a program that would not take effect until 2013!

"Whatever President Obama is, he is not stupid. If the urgency to pass the medical care legislation was to deal with a problem immediately, then why postpone the date when the legislation goes into effect for years-- more specifically, until the year after the next Presidential election?

"If this is such an urgently needed program, why wait for years to put it into effect? And if the public is going to benefit from this, why not let them experience those benefits before the next Presidential election?

"If it is not urgent that the legislation goes into effect immediately, then why don't we have time to go through the normal process of holding Congressional hearings on the pros and cons, accompanied by public discussions of its innumerable provisions? What sense does it make to "hurry up and wait" on something that is literally a matter of life and death?

"If we do not believe that the President is stupid, then what do we believe? The only reasonable alternative seems to be that he wanted to get this massive government takeover of medical care passed into law before the public understood what was in it.

"Moreover, he wanted to get re-elected in 2012 before the public experienced what its actual consequences would be.

"Unfortunately, this way of doing things is all too typical of the way this administration has acted on a wide range of issues..."


BTW, this might amuse you. It was Thomas' Vision of the Annointed helped me greatly to understand folks like Mr. Howe.

Mrs. P

alan_howe said...

Then Thomas's efforts are unavailing, Mrs. P. You know almost nothing of me and misunderstand me as often as not. More often, you erect strawmen who represent an enemy for you and try to stuff my arguments inside. The effect is primarily to lead you astray. Generalizations such as "folks like Mr. Howe," relating to a person you have not met and about whom you possess no real knowledge, have no meaning. You would do better to stick to the argument.

Anonymous said...

Heh.

If we want a real health care debate in this country, forget about "The Hannities" and what they supposedly do. What we need is for the man leading the debate - this would be the guy in the White House with a most real Messiah complex- to actually behave like a Messiah and talk to his (political) enemies....you know that old Uniter wheeze his ad guys cooked up that you fell for...-from The Hill:

Boehner: GOP leaders haven't met Obama for health talks since April

By Molly K. Hooper - 09/09/09 11:09 AM ET
The ball is in President Obama's court to reach out to Republicans if he wants a bipartisan bill on healthcare reform, House GOP Leader John Boehner (Ohio) said Monday morning.

Boehner told reporters that the president has not invited House GOP leaders to the White House for meetings on healthcare reform since the end of April.

Earlier this year, GOP leaders sent a letter to the president in May stating that they would like to work with the administration to find "common ground" on healthcare reform.

But the administration responded with a tersely worded letter indicating that they had healthcare reform under control."

Mrs. P

George Pal said...

FLG,

“It's certainly open for debate.”

Is it? Ah, but Thomas “Maharishi” Friedman thinks outside the box.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/09/opinion/09friedman.html?_r=3

 
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