Wednesday, September 30, 2009

As The Debate About The NEA Call Continues

...over at The American Scene, something occurred to me.

I largely agree with Conor. The introduction of politics into the phone call in even the slightest corrupts the process. It's not a matter of what they were asking artists to do, but that they were asking artists to do anything other than to submit grant proposals or pitches or whatever the process is for conducting the business of the NEA, which is funding art. Once you ask artists to do anything at all political, it further tarnishes an already problematic relationship. Unlike George Will, I don't think this was a result of "the Obama administration's incontinent lust to politicize everything."

The government staffers on that phone call were campaign staffers and political activists before they worked for the government. Campaigns, and especially the Obama campaign, always try to enlist artists to get their message out. For many of the lower level people working in the administration that got their jobs primarily because of their loyalty and work during the campaign, which would include these two, they probably didn't even realize what they were doing.

What I'm talking about here are the idealistic types who fill the special assistant to the deputy undersecretary of White House communication policy. These are true believer types. People who really believe that through politics they can make the world a tangibly better place. People who believe that their message should be broadcast as far and wide as possible. These relatively young adults have spent a good portion of their time mobilizing people and resources to get their message out and further their agenda. When they moved to government positions they kept performing the same job they had before -- campaigning and social activism.

This is a problem. I agree. Government employees have different responsibilities and roles than campaign staffers or social activists, but I don't think the people in this case probably ever considered that. They just do what they do. Trying to get the message out. That is what drives them. What gets them off. When they won the election, they just kept doing what they were doing without thinking much about what had changed.

So, yes. I think it was a conscious effort to use the NEA to further their political agenda. That's what these people do. But, and I think this is important, I don't think they knew they had crossed a line. I doubt they ever contemplated much how they should act differently while under Uncle Sam's employ. They just kept doing what they'd always done.

I guess my point here is that I don't believe that the Obama Administration has a explicit agenda to politicize everything, but that the type of people who were drawn to his campaign are the type that breathe politics. It's like asking a fish if he likes being in water. They don't even notice it.

Again, yes. There was a problem, but I can also understand how it was simultaneously intentional and unintentional and not a nefarious plot from the White House to politicize everything.

9 comments:

George Pal said...

Excepting the droids who’ve given their souls to the emerging cult of Obama and speaking only of the political operatives who toil for an agenda, I think you’re dead wrong. The politicization of everything is the agenda and continues apace with the millenarian droids as the most recent historical example of useful idiots.

Furthermore, not only is most everything social being politicized but everything political is being moralized as in Obama’s “torture is immoral” and his insistence that passage of universal healthcare (under the auspices of the government) is the ethical and moral thing to do.

Anonymous said...

Ok, this is going to be a fun answer...

Let's see, first you wrote:

"Campaigns, and especially the Obama campaign, always try to enlist artists to get their message out."

"For many of the lower level people working in the administration that got their jobs primarily because of their loyalty and work during the campaign, which would include these two, they probably didn't even realize what they were doing."

"What I'm talking about here are the idealistic types who fill the special assistant to the deputy undersecretary of White House communication policy."

"These are true believer types."

"People who really believe that through politics they can make the world a tangibly better place."

"People who believe that their message should be broadcast as far and wide as possible."

"They just do what they do. Trying to get the message out."

"That is what drives them."

"What gets them off."

"So, yes. I think it was a conscious effort to use the NEA to further their political agenda."

"That's what these people do."

"But, and I think this is important, I don't think they knew they had crossed a line."

"They just kept doing what they'd always done."

"They don't even notice it.

Now Will wrote:

"the Obama administration's incontinent lust to politicize everything."


According to the dictionary, incontinent means lacking normal voluntary control of excretory functions.

Again, according to the dictionary lust is an overwhelming desire or craving.

Go back and reread your words and Will's. You both are of the same opinion. You differ mainly on intent of the adminstration. Will's argument has more moral weight than yours does - as indicated with his use of lust - hence blinded by desire -hence his wonderful use of incontinent.

Here's a hint to reading Will from one of his former editors (R.Tyrell), when writing his columns, Will has an uncanny knack (or takes pleasure in getting up the noses of) those he is agreement with.

Mrs. P

Anonymous said...

I forgot to add that it is the responsibility of everyone in the O Adminstration to know the difference of right and wrong.

Part of the job description and one of the reasons we have little things like FBI background checks. Not that the FBI would pick up anything so nuanced as this....

Mrs. P

FLG said...

Mrs. P:

I think the difference is almost entirely in the intent. Will believes it malicious. I believe it naive and misguided.

George:

Do you think health care has no moral or political components by nature?

Andrew Stevens said...

Pretty much everything political is moral. I have no patience for people who say, "You can't legislate morality." We legislate virtually nothing else.

However, one can engage in moral disagreements without believing that people who disagree with you are inherently immoral (rather than wrong). And I suspect that this is what George may be criticizing. In which case, I do (somewhat) agree with that, though I'm not sure that Obama is worse about this than, say, Jimmy Carter was or a host of other politicians, on both the right and the left.

George Pal said...

FLG,

Of course healthcare has political components. It even has moral implications in some of its components. It’s the healthcare bill passing has Obama on a morality bender making those who oppose its passage immoral when, because of those components, it’s the opposition that has all the moral argument on its side, exclusively. So, in the pursuit of lowdown politics, Obama’s resorting to a moral high ground that he neither commands nor understands.



Steven,

There is much, if not most, of the political (unless you stretch the point severely) that is not moral. Legislation, recent and upcoming, not of a moral but certainly of a political nature:
ACORN, prohibit federal funding
Cash for clunkers
Congressional pay raise
Credit card regulations, tighten
Mortgages, allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms
National service, expand programs

All of these are purely political positions unless, as I said, you want to push the envelope. And yes, Obama and Carter are in a league of their own when it comes to moralizing the purely political, and yes, they do all do it, and we are the worst for it in that we no longer see a loyal opposition but more an immoral lying, hating, enemy.

Andrew Stevens said...

Not at all. It is not that I am stretching the point severely, but that you appear to have an extremely circumscribed view of what exactly constitutes morality. Hint: it's all morality.

ACORN, prohibit federal funding

Is it morally right to continue to fund ACORN given what we appear to know of its methods?

Cash for clunkers

Is it right to give people cash for older less fuel-efficient cars? Keep in mind on the one side the environmental concerns and on the other the morality of taking money from some people and giving it to others merely so they can buy a brand-new car, no matter how rich they might be already.

Credit card regulations, tighten

The usual argument is that we are allowing credit card companies to act immorally with current regulations, either fraudulently or "predatorily."

Mortgages, allow bankruptcy judges to modify terms

Is it morally right to allow third parties to interfere with the sanctity of a contract between two other parties, when it means that the judge is allowed to unilaterally and retroactively rewrite the contract for both parties?

National service, expand programs

Do such programs serve a strong enough moral purpose to justify taking funds from people to service them?

I might grant you Congressional pay raises (but not really, since any "ought" is a moral question) and the opposition to them certainly uses a lot of moral language.

George Pal said...

Andrew,

There, at least I got your name right!

I grant you that any of these bills may contain moral implications but you have to grant that they might not, at least not to the level of making a moral issue of it.

Allowing appearances (as you appear to do re ACORN) to be the basis of political judgments is just fine - but not as the basis of a moral judgment.

If you are going to make a moral issue of some people’s money being taken for other people’s uses then you indict the government of being wholly immoral on several thousand counts by which you condemn it as illegitimate.

It seems to me that in a democracy (well even not especially then but let’s make it easier on me shall we) only those issues which are dense with moral implications can be argued, for or against, on moral grounds. The rest of it must be free of moral language unless we are prepared to reward righteousness (the moral vote), punish the guilty (the immoral vote), and fight to determine who’s which.

Andrew Stevens said...

There are two reasons why I object to the view that most politics isn't moral, neither of which is to complain about your argument too terribly much. (This is why I offered rephrasing it. I do believe it's a problem when a politician assumes the people who oppose his policies are moral degenerates rather than simply mistaken, which is very common on both sides.)

1) I do believe that the vast majority of political issues are, in fact, moral issues in a substantive sense. However, I also believe that opposing sides rarely disagree on the moral premises, usually disagreeing on factual issues. I am prepared to admit that many political disputes don't really have any bright moral lines, though. Is there a bright moral line in the disagreement between a 35% top marginal tax rate and a 39% top marginal tax rate? Obviously not. (This didn't stop the partisans on both sides from accusing the other side of acting immorally, however.)

2) From a meta-ethical perspective, I have to keep hammering home that all "ought" judgments are moral judgments. If you say, "we ought to have a 35% top marginal tax rate," this is a moral proposition. This is a very important piece of my argument for my own meta-ethical position, but in some cases I agree that this results in my "stretching the point severely" and it's only important for deeper philosophical debates. The statement I just named about top marginal tax rates is a moral proposition, but I realize that most people don't view it that way and there is justice in that view, even if it is technically wrong.

 
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